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we'll see you back here tomorrow. >> cenk: welcome to the "the young turks." we got a great show for you guys tonight. alex jones remember the guy raving about gun control. 1776 on "the young turks." alex jones is here. >> i'm sick of glenn beck. i'm sick and tired of him. he's a punk. he called me a fascist. this is the guy who made jokes about torture and said it was a good thing. >> cenk: wait until you get a load of what he said jon stewart. nothing but fun. and aaron swartz. the government went after him like a ton of bricks. he committed suicide. oh devastating. i talked to him earlier in an interview on the online show. >> now i guess my job is to make
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sure it trickles down to other people. i feel like i got a pretty lucky break. right now there are millions of people who have not been so fortunate. >> he was trying to help people. the government did not like that. that story makes me so mad. all right we're going to truck about that on tonight's show as well. it's go time. >> president obama had a press conference today. he wanted to talk about the debt ceiling and about the gun control a little bit. he has positive words that are encouraging for those of us who believe he should fight harder. let's listen. >> obama: i want to be clear about this. the debt cereal something not a question of authorizing more spending. raising the debt ceiling does
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not authorize more spending. it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. the issue here is whether or not america pays it's bills. we are not a debt-deep nation. >> cenk: i like it. now normally i say it should have been stronger, but it was pretty strong and he made his point very good. it continues. >> obama: this is not an implicatedcomplicateed subject. you don't go out to dinner, eat all your want, and then leave without paying the check. if you do, you're breaking the law. and congress should think about it the same way that the american people do. >> cenk: i like it, man. i do. that's exactly right analogy. you know, of course, i'd go further, but i would every time,
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right? i'd say listen, the republicans spent this money. they spent it in tax cuts for billionaires and millionaires, they spent it in the iraq war afghanistan, the great majority of this money was spent by george w. bush. now i'm going to make them pay the bill. i would turn it around on them. that's good. very strong language. we hope he sticks to it, we'll look at that in a minute. >> obama: congress has not been able to identity identify $1.2 trillion that they're happy with. they don't want to cut defense. >> cenk: that's true. hey, man i'm perfectly happy to do that. let's go to michael shure. the language is good. the frame something good. it seems strong. excuse me if i'm a little skeptical that he won't
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negotiate over the debt cerealing. >> you're excused for being skeptical, you're fine. you have every reason to feel that way although i think the way he handled the fiscal cliff was a departure--i think he bent over a little bit less than he has in the past in terms of going back on what he said he was going to do. he got americans to--wealthy americans to pay more in taxes. not the specific $250,000, quarter of a million. >> when we came to the so-called fiscal cliff there was a question that the american people had to resolve or the politicians did between the clinton-era tax rates where we had great prosperity and the bush-era tax rate where we didn't have that prosperity. for some reason we chose to go with the bush-era tax rates for 99% of americans. that makes no sense. >> but again-- >> and boehner is saying now
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he's literally i got 99% of what i want. do you have confidence he's not going to get anything in the next round? >> i have confidence in the president by separating this out got what he wanted. separating this whole debt ceiling out was his strategy--i don't think you'll hear john boehner say he got 99% of what he wanted. >> cenk: the ending of the negotiations. but whether they're going to negotiate or not i think the president will say i'm not going to negotiate over the debt ceiling, but the sequester is happening at the same time and i'm negotiating over the sequester. >> that might be part of the negotiation. the president was careful today in this press conference as you just showed to say we're talking about in. this is about doing the debt ceiling about paying the debt. it has nothing to do with the
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sequester. he didn't talk about them together. he talked about them separately. in fact, that's where the negotiating will happen. he said to congress we'll have to figure out a way not to increase deficit. it will have to come with spending cuts. >> cenk: more austerity, i wouldn't do any more of it. but he also talked about guns. >> he was asked about guns. i think what we'll hear him talk about hear here now but 836 people now since the newtown tragedy has died. that's almost as if we have woken up for 32 days and there was a nu town every single day. >> cenk: every time we update it i get surprised. oh, my god, it's been that many more and it's insanity. i think a great majority of the american people are on to it. it is a majority, 52% of
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americans are now more supportive of gun control since newtown. we're making progress, of course it depends on what is in it. >> he has the option and he's talking about using the executive order. here is the president. >> obama: well, my understanding of the vice president is going to provide a range of steps that we can take to reduce gun violence. some of them will require legislation, some of them i can accomplish through executive action. >> cenk: so the executive action seems strong. >> yes. >> cenk: do we know what they're refer to go. >> it can refer to any number of things. the president specifically has not talked specifically about what would be an executive action the vice president hasn't either. one of the things that people are thinking that he will do are background checks, to have this universal background check system even if the gun lobby or nra, they have a waning power and i should point out today there is an nra target practice.
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i think that's what the name of the app is. for four years and older, it's nra practice range. this is the same nra that is selling an app that way saying the video games and guns have nothing to do with it, four and over. >> cenk: something really interesting i read at the end of last week. you wonder why the nra is so mental on not giving an initial on any initial. the one that i think they're going to lose on is high capacity magazines. no one can justify having 30 bullets in a magazine unless you want to shoot and kill more people in one shooting. what i read is their top funder of the nra is a company that sales high capacity magazines. they've given over $7 million to the nra. those are the guys they represent. of course they're not going to give in. >> the nra follows the money and the congressmen follow the nra because nra follow the money. that's that big circle that goes
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on all the time. then the president is addressing the fact that people are out buying guns. here is the president once more. >> obama: i think that we've seen for some time now that those who oppose any common sense gun control or gun safety measures have a pretty effective way of joining up fear on the part of gun owners that some how the federal government is about to take all your guns away. >> cenk: yeah, he's always measured in the way that he talks. >> it's like phil simms. >> cenk: expect not quite as inaccurate. >> no, that's true. i think you would say that they're both inaccurate. >> cenk: one last thing that i found interesting when asked about socializing with the republicans.
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he had a lot to say about that. i want to show one clip where he talks about the republicans coming over to a picnic, etc. and how relevant this is. let's watch that. >> obama: yeah, when i'm over here at the congressional picnic and folks are coming up and taking pictures with their family, i promise you michelle and i are very nice to them, and we have a wonderful time. but it doesn't prevent them from going under the floor of the house and, you know, blasting me for being big spending socialist. >> cenk: see politico has a huge article about this. the president is not friendly enough. if he was friendlier he would get a deal. that's the biggest load of crap i've heard i'm sick of hearing it. it's not like the galo, you warm my heart. >> who started being friendly, the president did. he was out there with congress,
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trying to get them--and we were criticizing him for that. it's not working. now they're going to criticize him for not being friendly enough. i wouldn't be friendly to them either. >> cenk: you don't need to be friendly. just kick their ass and they'll do it. the president also said he's looking for poker partners. i would love to do that on two different--can we invite harry reid too? anyway, when we come back, alex jones, and his views on glenn beck. they're fighting now. that is an interesting conversation. >> that little piece of trash needs to know this. he tried to play this collectivist game oh, he doesn't speak for us. you, jack ass main line conservatives don't speak for me. to me now? you know the kind of guys that do reverse mortgage commercials? those types are coming on to me all the time now. (vo) she gets the comedians laughing and the thinkers thinking. >>ok, so there's wiggle room in the ten commandments, that's
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rich, chewy caramel rolled up in smooth milk chocolate. don't forget about that payroll meeting. rolo.get your smooth on. also in minis. these talking points, that the right have, about the "heavy hand of government" ... i want to have that conversation. let's talk about it. really? you're going to lay people off because now the government is going to help you fund your healthcare. really? i want to have those conversations, not to be confrontational, but to understand what the other side is saying, and i'd like to arm our viewers with the ability to argue with their conservative uncle joe over the dinner table. >> cenk: alex jones is the host of the alex jones show. it's all across the country in different radio stations. he's also featured at info and you might remember him as
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the guy who was ranting and raving with pierce morgan about gun control talking about metal sharks chimpanzees etc. i talked to him earlier. we had that conversation. i also asked him about jon stewart and what is the global conspiracy that rules all other conspiracies. but first man when i asked him if he was part of the conspiracy because that's what glenn beck is charging that he's doing to make gun rights people look crazy. let's watch that part of the glover. >> why would pierce morgan have this guy on? well, because pierce is trying to have gun control and he's trying to make anyone who believes in guns and believes in the second amendment as not something about sports but to be able to be deterrent to out of control government look like a
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madman. >> cenk: i'm going to let you flat out respond to that. >> glenn beck for years has done all sorts of stuff behind the scenes, and i'm sick of him. the guy makes me sick. i don't sit there and spend all day attacking other media personalities. i had a few run ins with you but you haven't done anything behind the scenes. he constantly does stuff to me. he said ron paul supporters needed the army to go after him. i don't attack rush limbaugh or michael savage. i don't go after glenn beck because i'm in competition with him. glenn beck is despicable. pierce morgan wanted me on to say i was wrong to violate his first amendment. how dare i take free speech rights when i said a foreigner should not be here lecturing us.
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it was all tongue-in-cheek. i actually sat there and when i went out there before he went live. i saw his cue cards. it was all about that. it was not that we have a right to own guns to protect ourselves from the government. i did that. glenn beck is trying to hold me back. i've talked to people oh who work for him. he has five guys watching every i do. four or five years ago he would not talk about any of this stuff. now he takes it and spins it in the neo-con way. he's a punk. he called me a fascist. this is the guy who made jokes about torture and said it was a great thing. this is guy who supports drones. i was against all that when bush was pushing it. i'm a constitutional libertarian who loves freedom and my views are my own. that little piece of trash needs to know this. he tried to play this collectivist game he don't speak for us. he's trying to speak for you. you jack ass main line
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conservatives don't speak for me. you're the ones who have discredited true conservatism, thomas jefferson would spit on you, you little piece of trash. and by the way you haven't held me back. you're not stopping my signal going out. i saw that 15 minute clip where they attacked me. they looked scared because they're nelly punks who can't stand the fact that i'm turning the ship around and i have conservatives with my talking points because i'm original and i've done the real research. i'm leading the pack, and all these fake jack asss conservative can't deal with it. >> cenk: i don't mean this in an insulting way but have you ever sought mental health treatment? >> yeah, you know what america needs mental health treatment if
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they don't have a pulse. we're going into tyranny. we're bailing out fake derivatives that have affected our social security system. i'm angry about that. man, it was anger that founded this country. i'm the nicest guy with my children and nicest guy changing old ladies' tires. but the bs of someone calling me a fascist because i got a pulse. paul revere rode through the night saying to arms to arms. he said, get ready to kill people. george washington signed warrants on people. i'm not calling for that. the average american is the one who has a problem. i'm in this to win it. i'm risking my life. i live in the real world. i've got a big heard with red blood pumping through my veins.
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governor cuomo yells and scream and they rally. they know that's where the victory is. they know that's where the success and the energy is. i'm here to rally the republic to awaken. i'm somebody who works 18 hours a day. i'm somebody who reads philosophy. i'm someone who has media my own built my own media empire from nothing. that's the american dream. and if it's mental illness to love liberty and to be angry then i am. back to the as techs, 1500 years ago they were chopping kids hearts out every morning. i said this is crazy. the sun will come back up. you don't have to sacrifice 50 kids. they say you're crazy. i'll tell the aztecs that they're loco. i'll tell hitler that he's loco. i'll till all these tyrants that
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they're loco. your know angry? crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you because i'll say what colonel travis said at the alamo. victory or death. that's extremism isn't it, knowing the force of 10,000 people was coming and he had 180. that's right. this is commitment. it's really living. it's loving innocence and the children enough to be willing to be a real man. that's what it's all about. >> cenk: all right i think the message is loud and clear although i'm sure he didn't speak spanish, nevertheless i get your point. >> reporter: he spoke mayan. >> cenk: i know, glenn beck called him pump, trash, jack ass ass, nelly punk, and by the way he's sick of him. what does he have to say about pierce morgan and jon stewart. >> i'll wear red white and blue
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>> we're becoming an authoritarian country. we're entering a distopic nightmare and i yell and scream to get people out of their trans. that's why i do it on purpose. get people out of the transthat they're under. >> cenk: alex, when you are concerned about government and its reach into our private lives, and violation of our rights like the mdaa, i'm just as concerned. i hear you. but when you talk about the global conspiracy, you lose me. it doesn't mean that i'm right you're wrong but i think to a lot of people it's going to seem a little unbelievable. so flesh it out for me. including to me, honestly, it seems unbelievable to me. who is it that wants to do this distopia? who are these puppet masters whoever they are, how many are there, and why do they want to
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kill us. i don't get that part. >> well, the time i interfered him he was the head of the kissinger group. you should interview him. he said he tried to come on my show to convince me that global government is the way to go. there are 20 families who own it they're mopping up the final countries that were sovereign and bringing in world government. there are thousands of articles in the times of london, "newsweek," "time" magazine, announceing global government run by technocrats. and if they're successful with their new world order people are going to wish later they would have listened and stopped this. these are 170 iq top scientists hired by the robber baron families. all of them, on record, those old names. >> cenk: i want to ask you a question about how you're
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perceived when you say that, but i want to say it in conjunction with you're appearance on the piers morgan show. i'll show it to you and i want your reaction. >> why do you want to deport me. >> 17,176 will commence again if you try to take our firearms. the republican will rise again. come to america. i'll take you out shooting. you can become an american and join the republic. >> how many great white sharks kill every year but are scared to swim. how many chimpanzees can dance on the head of a pin. i'll wear red, white, and blue and you can wear your jolly roger. >> i can speak as well. >> mass murder pills. >> cenk: now alex, i know it's unfair to edit it together. but you did say those things. i enjoy the english accent, but when you say the u.s. government
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is working about hollywood and the conspiracy to pretend we're zombies, mow us down and then do that on cnn, do you get why people think you're a little touched? >> yeah. i'm going to tell you again. the army and marine corp do drills where hundreds of role players dressed up in dallas cowboy jersey and john deere hats come towards them to shoot them. these are declassified. they said, look, we'll call it zombies and say it's a joke. they're practicing in real drills not a joke, to mow down citizens, and you always dehumanize someone, the jews, others, before you kill them. you say that they're not human. they're saying we're practiceing to mow down people in u.s. cities. all those things you editing it out 15 minutes on air.
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i said all that on purpose. i said all that to get people out of their transso they would hear the brutal truth. let me expand on this. when "jaws" came out in the 1970s, on average i looked it up. there were five great white shark killings from australia to the west coast to the united states worldwide, south africa, on average it's five. that movie made people not go swimming worldwide and killed half the business for two years. and some actuaries show people cut back going to the beach 10% 10percent percentpercent 30-plus years later. it's the same with the guns. to be killed with a semiautomatic in school is rare. it's still a terrible tragedy but they take it and project it. but when obama kills people with
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a drone, there is no crime. >> cenk: i get that. i think the drone program is hideous, and we talk about it all the time. jon stewart made a fair point. you're talking about imaginary problems like the shark problem. >> so this is what it is. their paranoid feel of a possible distopic future prevents us from addressing our actual distopic present. we cannot discuss the gung deaths that are happening every year because a few of us must remain vigilant begins the rise of a imaginary hitler. >> cenk: you're worried about the imagethe imaginary sharks. i don't want to say it in a dismissive way but you're talking about the government taking over when they haven't
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and we have real deaths. isn't that a fair point alex? >> no, it's not a fair point. they've taken the guns worldwide. in chicago and new york when they took the guns crime rates went up. the issue is humans at a primitive level. myself included. i recognize from the roman times to the founding of the nation, it was done to disarm a group that people were used to oppressing. the government has drones weapons, checkpoints 1.6 million bullets. it's a balance of power that we need the people armed and that's why the second amendment was put in place there. it's not for duck hunting. >> cenk: our disagreement is i think you take a kernel of truth which is goldman sachs has way too much power and it's the way we set up the system, and you're
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taking it to a huge jump forward and then saying that it's part of a conspiracy that hollywood is in on and the government is on in. and 20 guys decided it. it's the structural-- >> let me say this to your audience. i told people seven years ago because of a google press release that they had the patents and were using the cameras on your computers and the systems in your cell phone to have computers listen to you to build psychological algorithms. that was mainstream news two months ago. people are like, so what,. i was crazy 15 years ago to tell people they were taking baby's blood at birth to put it in a dna pentagon database. that was declassified three years ago. look how much we put up with, man. look how far it's gone. >> they also take the blood to make sure if you have disease later that you can help the baby. it's not a conspiracy. >> no, no, the the cover story
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was that we send it away to the health department, the cover was that. the hospital could have done it right there. i know. that's the cover. come out they put it in the database. they always have multi facetted reasons. listen, don't you have kids. >> cenk: yes, i do. >> deep down you know we're doing into tyranny and we're in trouble. if we don't recognize how tyranny works you go down hill slow for a while and then it drops. we're hitting the drop-off point. i believe everything i'm saying. i got the research to back this up, and i wish every day that i was wrong or that i was exaggerating to myself. nine times out of ten when i do research, it's worse than i said. >> cenk: look, it's a fascinating discussion we had. i think we're respectful towards one another. we got each other's points out. you can watch the whole thing on "the youngon
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we took it in two different parts but there is more to the interview and you can watch it in its entirety at i think in my opinion as i was saying there alex takes some legitimate points, the national defense authorization act is unconstitutional it does take away some citizens' rights to get a fair trial but it doesn't mean that it was 20 guys who had a secret plan all along to get the worldwide conspiracy hollywood, and they have the zombies in and we look like zombies and they dehumanize us. we have real problems with your government and i'm afraid whennal ex-goes--when alex goes on his rants it dismisses the actually points. he did interestingly admit interest that his effort at
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getting piers morgan sent out of the country was tongue in cheek and also doing it on purpose and being loud on purpose, which is interesting as well. when we come back we'll have a real conversation about the drone program in this country. and how we're using it abroad, and it is devastating. >> what we have documented is that drones kill not only terrorists they kill many others. they kill civilians. they have killed women and children.
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[ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> cenk: all right we're going to talk about the drone program as i said not against drone
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strikes but i'm against dumb drone strikes. we seem to have stepped up our drone strikes in pakistan, and also in yemen. we have done six strikes in the span of eight days. this is significantly increased from the past, and it was pretty heavy in the past as well. in fact, according to the bureau of investigative journalism. since 2002 our drone strikes have killed between 558 to 1119 civilians, that's not militants and 204 to 350 have been children. the person who is known as mr. drone is john brennan so what does he get? of course, a promotion. he's now being considered for the head of the c.i.a. in fact, he has been nominated by president obama. now when he was asked about drone strikes earlier, here's part of what he had to say. >> we may also use force isn't
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with our inherent rights of national self defense. there is nothing in international law that bans the use of remotely piloted aircraft for this purpose or prohibits us from using lethal force against our enemies outside an active battlefield. at least when the country involved consents or is unable for unwilling to take action against the threat. >> cenk: right, but what will signature strikes where we don't even know who we're killing or killing u.s. citizens without due process. that was not addressed. he did talk more at. >> if we want to others nations to use them responsibly we must use them responsibly. if we want other nations to adhere to high standard then we must do so as well. we cannot expect from others what we won't do ourselves.
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>> cenk: that's very honest. senator widen on the senate select committee wrote a letter saying for the executive branch to claim that the intelligence agencies have the authority to knowingly kill american citizens but refuse to provide congress with any and all legal opinions that explain the executive branch's understanding of this authority represents an alarming and indefensible assertion of executive prerogative. they don't even tell us how they're using the program, why they're using the program under what legal basis they use the program. that's senator ron widen among others. now one of the people who have been telling us about the drone program. you went to pakistan to cover the drone strikes, what is john brennon he's promotion here.
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>> i think tragic could be the best word to think of. this is the man who didn't get the job previously because of what he was involved with in terms of torture in the bush administration. now he's being nominated by the obama administration. i think it's an opportunity for us all to raise hell about the issue and demand that the senate in the confirmation hearings ask him questions about the program. >> cenk: i suspect senator widen will have some objections. i suspect, and then we'll be done. we'll get massively outvoted. what does that tell us about the state of the democratic party when the democratic president takes a guy considered so loathsome that he could not nominate to be head of the c.i.a. in 2009 because of torture-related issues, now nominates him and will get the democratic party to go along with it. >> i think it's an indication of why partisan politics has its
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limitations and why it's important that people who care fundfundamentalfundamentally about issues be and we should have learned from the lgbt community there is one way that government responds, that is pressure. when people talked to me and said please tell obama this, please tell obama that. the notion that we have that kind of power is only a little bit misleading, but on the security issue it does not make sense. >> cenk: i think it does. i think it does, and i'll tell you why, and this is controversial. but i think we want to create more people who are going to fight us because it is a way for defense contractors to get more wars to make more money. otherwise it makes no sense at all. every scholar, every person looking at this issue says, what are you doing? when you kill innocent civilians
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you're creating more people who are going to fight us. i think a lot of defense contractors look at it and go, exactly. >> i don't know if i can go that dark. >> cenk: that's zero dark thirty thirty. >> yes, certainly it's a horrific policy. for brennan to go on a clip and say there are no civilian casualties, that was three weeks after one of the worst drone attacks where over 45 people were killed sitting out in public that clearly weren't terrorists. >> cenk: i don't think interest there is a smoke-filled room where they're laughing, no. but that guess to that conclusion. we'll have more warfare and it will lead to greater wars and
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people will profit off of that. what is it? why does obama live to that when there is that pressure? why does he listen to it. okay, you're right let's do another drone strike on people we don't even know who they are it's a signature strike. >> what have they done? are they innocent? >> cenk: right. >> my entire family are shrinks father mother, brother sister-in-law, i'm not in that business but on the sheer fax talk to those in pack pakistan. this does not make us safer. >> cenk: it's amazing. if you don't believe us now. it will change your mind, you will a he see the actual victims, etc. thank you another story that has my blood going, aaron swartz
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>> a 26-year-old aaron swartz was found in his brooklyn apartment. the medical examiner said he hanged himself. he was facing a federal trial on accusations that he stole scientific journals from an mit computer archive. >> cenk: one point that is not entirely accurate is he had legal access to those archives. the government charged him with violating the terms of service with that contract. they claimed that was a felony. he was facing 50 years in prison
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which is unbelievable. now there are people throughout the internet and the politico sphere saying that the prosecution of aaron swartz was unbelievable and ridiculous. here is a blog post that is a website for the person who wrote it from the cato institute. the government seems to have lost all sense of proportion here and the apparent legal theory behind the government's case that using a website in a manner that violates it's terms of use constitution felony computer hacking could serious unintended consequences. do you know the government now was charging him with up to, as i said, 50 years in jail? you get less time in jail for assaulting a supreme court justice, threatening the president. snowingly spreading a.i.d.s. selling child pornography bank robbery and armed bank robbery
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manslaughter selling slaves and helping al-qaeda. they would get less than what aaron swartz because of multiple counts. i had previewed him on the online show before. he was a decent guy who wanted to do right. he made money off of reddit and he wanted to use it for good purpose. this was my interview with him. >> speaking of printing money did that work out for you? >> it worked out now my job is to make sure that it trickles down to other people. i feel like i got a lucky break. right now there are millions of people who have not been so fortunate. >> cenk: how old are you, aaron. >> i'm 23. >> cenk: he was 6 when he took his own life because our government just had to get him on this so important charge. let's bring in carl fogel he's in chicago and works on open source projects. carl, talk to me about this case
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why is it so serious that he face 50 years in prison? >> i was glad to hear your outrage in your introduction. for the government why is this serious? the government is made of legislators who right now largely answer to the copyright monopoly lobby which is very powerful, they run hollywood the music industry that's why we have extreme penalties for copyright. it should be a civil matter and not a criminal penalty. >> cenk: that's amazing. in this case they say he violated terms of service with jay store. and so you know it was academic papers. it's not like he was going to make money off this thing. it's academic papers.
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you would have to be an idiot or a liar to think this was a money making scam. it obviously wasn't. so they say they didn't want a criminal prosecution. they didn't even go after him civilly. why is the government so insistent on getting a guy like aaron swartz when the company didn't even want him. >> it's a classic example of the prosecutor wanting to make an example of someone. aaron would take a plea deal, they would put him away for a couple of years and they would be able to say look, we're prosecutor quote/unquote copyright theft which is a ridiculous term, but they used the term stealing and theft throughout the representation of the case. that would look good. it would be good for the prosecutors' careers perhaps to even think that that represents justice. what they didn't understand was that aaron wasn't going to
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accept any plea deal that had him calling himself guilty or being labeled a felon. they were backed into this corner of their own making where they had to threaten him with 35 years in jail and $1 million in fines for something that the alleged victims weren't even interested in prosecuting. >> cenk: when you ask the government about it, they say no, we can't. here is richard downing he said removing parts of the law could make it difficult or impossible to deter and punish serious threats from malicious insiders. this law that they're using against aaron, they can't modify it in anyway, but to me, karl, it seems mental. who doesn't violate terms of service. that could apply to almost every single person in the audience. one person was prosecuted because they created a fake account on my space. that's a felony? >> i agree with you. it's ridiculous and it's interesting if there weren't specific examples of the
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horrendous things that would result from that quote that you just read. the reason why there aren't any expanse becauseexamples because you can't think of any. what these laws do is outsource criminal law to private none negotiated contracts. you got a website facebook or whatever with terms of service. they have an alcohol team of lawyers who put it together. it's a thousand pages long. no one can read it. >> cenk: it gives corporations even more power. we have to leave it right there. we really appreciate it. >> thank you for appreciating the importance of aaron's work. >> cenk: i have one last note on that i really want to share with you guys. come right back.
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